the view from the top of the pyramid of power
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|Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:03 pm Post subject: How long have you got?
|Jill Dando, John Lennon, Bob Marley, David Walton, John Smith and Tony Banks. Maybe Mo Mowlam. There are also many accidents which could be questioned...Matthew Harding died in a chopper crash...big with Chelsea FC and had given New Labour a few million shortly before he died. I actually met him at a christening....we watched World Cup football and chatted most of the afternoon. For a very successful business guy, he was a very nice chap. Then there was that oil guy who died in a chopper crash, can`t remember his name, but Russian oil. I think that was a hit.
I`d really like to know what Dando knew before she was taken out. what do you think Tony?
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Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, UK
|Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: no faith in the police's ability
|Yup, I've always suspected Jill Dando was on to something and I have absolutely no faith in the police's ability to investigate the establishment. We need a peoples' investigation team to bypass Ian Blair and his ilk.
Joe Strummer wasn't the fittest man on Earth but he keeled over not long after doing a post 9/11 Stop The War benefit. He also wrote 'Washington Bullets' on the album Sandanista. Did he die from eating too much of 'mama's apple pie' sodium morphate?
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Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Location: England Netherlands
|Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: A few more
Would also like to name a few who died in arguable circumstances, and for now I will stick to the Netherlands.
First is Mr Pim Fortuyn, a charismatic guy who did´t beat around the bush and told the public what´s what, or did he!?
He was short from close range by a alleged Environment activist.
Second is a a former MP who was killed in a car crash.
Just a he was a the verge of a major investigation into the upper world & underworld in the Netherlands was tied up together.
An investigation which started with containers full of cocaine allegedly being let through by the police to track the criminal organisation behind it, but the out come was startling!?
Regards, Harpo_Marx from the Netherlands
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VAN TRAA "UNDERCOVER OPERATIONS" REPORT A "BEST SELLER"
On 1 February, in less than one hour, the entire first printing
of 4,200 copies of the official Van Traa commission report on
police undercover operations and methods was sold out. Initial
reactions from Dutch political figures and the cabinet seem to
be quite positive concerning the findings which "Intelligence"
has mentioned previously (INT, N. 22/48 & 23/50). There is
also excitement in the media and the general public. However,
German and French law enforcement officials have, off the
record, given their initial reactions to "Intelligence" and
Bonn officials are worried that future cooperation with Dutch
police officers in undercover operations may be hampered by
what are considered excessive and narrow legislative
restrictions recommend by the report. This is especially true
in Rotterdam harbor where German and Dutch police often
cooperate in narcotics investigations. French police won't
even touch such recommendations "with a long stick". But
they'll all get their chance to express themselves at a two-day
symposium that the European Institute of Public Administration
(EIPA) in Maastricht is organizing under the title of
"Undercover Policing and Accountability from an International
Perspective" on 11-12 April 1996. The intention is to give
politicians, academics and senior practitioners an opportunity
to situate the findings in an international perspective.
Invited speakers include the Dutch Justice Minister, Mrs.
Winnie Sorgdrager, commission chairman Mr. Maarten Van Traa,
MP, plus a host of professors and senior law enforcement
practitioners from various Western European countries and
Europol. The working language will be English and the entrance
fee is Dfl. 1,000, including reference material. Registration
deadline is 25 March 1996 and further information is available
from Ms. Jeannette Zuidema (tel 31 43 3296204; fax 31 43
The Parliamentary Investigations Commission into police
methods, chaired by Mr. Van Traa MP, published its final report
after a year of intensive work. The commission was set up,
following a series of scandals which demonstrated that
authorities had apparently lost control over covert policing
(INT, N. 16/41 & 21/1). The report stated that there is a
severe crisis in the criminal investigation policy touching the
very foundations of democratic rule, and for which all persons
involved, from detectives all the way up to the minister, are
to be held responsible. The Commission concludes that a
complete overhaul of doctrine and working methods is required,
resulting in every investigative method being explicitly based
on a written law. The method of covert importation and
distribution of drugs -- "controlled shipments" intended to
gain the confidence of criminals -- should be abandoned
entirely, with the exception of a single test shipment of no
more than a few kilos of cannabis products. Active
infiltration of criminal organizations by criminal civilian
informers should also be terminated; only trained police
undercover agents or specialists, such as accountants, should
be allowed to penetrate criminal organizations.
The four criminologists, who have analyzed the criminal
situation in the Netherlands for the Commission, reported
organized crime has not yet gotten a grip on Dutch society.
The narcotics trade remains by far the major and most
profitable criminal sector. The legitimate world has, so far,
only incidentally been infiltrated by organized crime, although
there are disquieting developments in certain sectors such as
the catering and transport industries. The extensive
involvement of sections of the ethnic communities is also a
cause for great concern (INT, N. 29/53). People of Surinamese,
Turkish and Moroccan origin, and the political power structures
in their home countries, are substantially involved in the
drugs trade. The Dutch indigenous criminal networks have not
taken on the shape of permanent and firmly structured
organizations, but they come in a wide variety, ranging from
small groups to professional and extremely wealthy drug barons.
Firmly organized groups and networks number about forty, and
caravan dwellers and the Hell's Angels represent some of the
more violent and successful domestic criminal groups. The
police are advised to pay more attention to the middle cadres
of organized crime and gain more knowledge of the financial-
economic aspects of serious crime.
The Commission asserts that the so-called "IRT affair" (INT, N.
13/54; the scandal from which other investigations and the
parliamentary inquiry originated) has caused great damage to
society and has had a great impact on public belief in the
ability of authorities to combat serious crime in a democratic
and effective manner. Over the past few years, at least 285
tons of soft drugs and hundreds of kilos of hard drugs have
been imported under the supervision of law enforcement
authorities, and about 100 tons of soft drugs and some of the
hard drugs have subsequently disappeared and been sold on the
market. This makes the Dutch government the largest player in
the cannabis market. Criminals have earned millions in the
process: one criminal informer turned infiltrator has earned
an estimated 50 million guilders by selling the "controlled"
drugs and keeping the profits. Another informer received two
million as hush money under direct orders from Justice Minister
Sorgdrager. An entire regional criminal intelligence branch
developed into an uncontrolled "state within the state"; its
former chief and one of his staff are to be indicted for
perjury while testifying under oath before the Commission. It
developed into a situation where criminal informants ran the
police and virtually held the authorities hostage by claiming
their lives to be in danger should the operations be
The Commission found that, under the banner of fighting
organized crime, a wide array of unregulated investigative
methods had developed. Those responsible for maintaining the
rule of law, including the public prosecutor's office, judges,
police chiefs, and the Justice Ministry, all remained largely
ignorant of what was happening in the daily reality of crime-
fighting. Former minister, Ernst Hirsch Ballin, acted in an
clearly "irresponsible" way by maintaining ignorance about what
subordinates were doing. These authorities, and parliament
itself, are to be held responsible for the present extremely
The Commission recommends that in the future, all information-
gathering activities carried out during an investigation be
written down in detail so that the court can effectively
oversee the operations and judge on the basis of written
evidence. The so- called "closed CID procedure", which
presently offers the possibility to hiding
the origin of sensitive information from all outsiders, should
no longer be allowed, although knowledge of certain most
sensitive aspects should still be withheld from solicitors and
The 4,900-page report offers an unprecedented insight into the
practices and doctrine of Dutch covert policing, with details
on almost every investigative method ever used. It describers
in detail the number and nature of informers, the number of
wiretaps, direction finders, call tracers, various observation
methods, etcetera. In general, the Commission prefers to
encourage development and reliance upon such technical
surveillance tools, including directional microphones and audio
bugs, instead of on more risky human sources. The need for a
proper legislative framework and for oversight is recognized so
that more intrusive methods will require increasingly higher
authorities to authorize their use.
The Commission notes that in the past, the Binnenlandse
Veiligheidsdienst (BVD) domestic security service, has also
engaged in improper policing tasks. Therefore, a new and more
solid legal framework is required to oversee the security
service, funnel its activity and put all intelligence methods
into an explicit legal framework. The recourse to dealing with
criminals-turned-witnesses, the so-called crown witnesses,
should only be allowed after all other options have remained
unsuccessful. The practice of selling drugs in so-called
"pseudo-sales operations" should also be abandoned.
The Commission emphasizes the increasingly serious efforts by
indigenous criminal groups, mainly in the Amsterdam area, to
mount full-blown counterintelligence operations against the
police and judicial authorities. These efforts range from the
use of state-of-the-art electronic surveillance equipment to
organized burglaries and corruption campaigns. Criminal
countersurveillance teams almost continuously monitor and
follow covert police surveillance teams and relay their
information to criminals. Some groups even run informants
inside the police. In the recent past, police investigations
against Yugoslav criminals have been reduced following serious
threats against the lives of police officers.
The Commission's report has struck hard, especially in police
circles, where the initial reaction was "let's close down the
shop and return to policing traffic." Police and justice
department personnel have been instructed not to react in
public before parliament has had its say, and the Justice and
the Interior ministers will react only after consultation with
Prime Minister Whim Kok. As the Commission covers the entire
political spectrum and carries great weight, its conclusions
stand a good chance of being adopted. This would result in a
fundamental reform of Dutch prosecution which will become more
similar to the American system with all evidence presented in
The main flaw of the otherwise very strong report is the fact
that it blames everyone, which could mean, at the end of the
day, nobody is in a position to cast the first stone and clean
out the stables. While the overall tone of the report is very
harsh indeed, explicit judgment of specific functionaries is
limited to a minimum. In its political verdict, the report
already carries an undertone of compromise and caution. On the
other hand, the recommendation to draw up a catalogue of all
allowed investigative methods and the near-total condemnation
of "controlled shipments" of narcotics, the so-called "Delta
method", has surprised and worried law enforcement authorities.
Other European law enforcement authorities have been watching
the humiliation of their Dutch colleagues with some
apprehension, knowing that it could very well inspire
legislators and lawyers in their own country to question covert
police methods. Van Traa has already complained he had little
cooperation from foreign organizations such as the U.S. Drug
Enforcement Administration (DEA)and the German
Bundeskriminalamt (BKA), whose officers are also believed to
run informants and covert shipments of drugs on Dutch soil.
Several specialists have emphasized that the soft drug traffic
appears to be the most profitable criminal activity, which
gives further weight to the argument that it should be
legalized entirely, given the purchase of cannabis products in
small quantities is already tolerated as a matter of policy.
Dutch parliament will debate the report in early March, but in
the meantime, more disclosures, leaks and dismissals can be
expected and international tension will surely increase leading
up to the 11-12 April symposium on the Van Traa report.
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Joined: 21 Jan 2007
Location: England Netherlands
|Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: Strange world we live in
Just thought of another suspicious death in the Netherlands.
The guy might not have been a well know & influential, but he was working on things in relation with disappearance & police investigations slash cover-ups.
He was called Louis Sévèke who lived in Nijmegen the Netherlands, and was specialized in police operations, and police undercover & cover up investigations.
He did his research as journalist, and had ties in the past with a former Ra-Ra group, a group against governments & multinationals.
He was also short shot from close range with a specialist gun, I think it was Gloch.
Off course they never found the killers, though it happened in a city centre with lots of witnesses.
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
|Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject:
|Re: John Lennon - wasn't there a documentary they did called "The U.S. vs John Lennon" or something to that effect? I still haven't seen it, but there was always talk about his understandings of how Freemasons/Satanists run the show.
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Joined: 22 Apr 2008
|Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Related Deaths
|One thing I've noticed from Princess Diane and Dr. David Kelly they all have something in common politics and died from assanation when they found out the truth.
JFK got assinated too.
All from the political world.
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