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neronis



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And by the way do you guys really think that so many of us have a time to read a newspapers everyday? Think about the crap outside everytime?

When do you will finally figure out that the democracy is a stupid system? Or do you really think that this would be better if all these retards outside should have a so big influence continuousely, while is so easy to controll a retards?

Should we control every move of our goverments and push on sheeps again and again to not do that or that? Wake up, you deserve what happens now, because of your stupid democracy idea.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Democracy Reply with quote

I agree. Modern Democracy is a brilliant way of controlling vast populations by selling them the illusion that their elected governments have the power to affect their lives. The capacity of National governance to make a difference has declined alarmingly as global power, in the hands of a tiny elite has mushroomed.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is the most serious situation the world has ever faced so don't expect too much from us poor and ordinary people.


This is EXACTLY why Nazism was able to rise and rule : because the citizens were COWARDS, were INDIFFERENT or APATHETIC and wouldn't dare to oppose and to REACT !

Apparently, the situation is the same today : all over the world, people only live for their little insignificant (and very temporary) "comfort" ! They are scared to react (or they don't care), and they don't understand that without liberty, without privacy, without constitutional rights, their wealth can be confiscated, and they can be exploited, abused, tortured, arrested and even killed, just because the Gestapo found them "suspect" ! And no one (and certainly not the prostituted mass medias) encourages people to move and to FIGHT for their rights, their privacy and their liberties !

The CRAZIEST thing of all is that we now live in a DICTATORIAL and TOTALITARIAN system (antiterrorist laws that are destroying out Constitution and liberties), but the sheeple living in that totalitarian police-state still believe that they can get a result using democratic tools (petitions, letters to the officials, soft actions) !!! Absurd ! Stupid ! And definitely NOT realistic !

The ones in power will take your petitions, will wipe their a** with it, will politely listen to your claims, and then, behind your back, they will SPIT IN YOUR FACE and they will continue to do AS THEY PLEASE !!! Wake up ! This is what is happening NOW !

If you don't teach those who have power to RESPECT you, don't expect any mercy from them ! Historically, in times of inequity or dictatorship, social fights were always won through very tough struggles.

Don't you think it's time for a REAL opposition yet ???
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

neronis wrote:
And by the way do you guys really think that so many of us have a time to read a newspapers everyday? Think about the crap outside everytime?

When do you will finally figure out that the democracy is a stupid system? Or do you really think that this would be better if all these retards outside should have a so big influence continuousely, while is so easy to controll a retards?

Should we control every move of our goverments and push on sheeps again and again to not do that or that? Wake up, you deserve what happens now, because of your stupid democracy idea.


As in other directions.. we have to change a reason, not the affect. Unless we will have problems all the time.

People doesn't know what is a morality, so they will do always what is a best for them.

Religions are the same - they are telling to us to change an affect not a reason and that creates from people a moral vomituses.

You have a lot to learn, because you are in the prison of your dogma reality.

I will write maybe a book about that, however in this capitalistic and democratic world I have to focus on my job, unless I will die.

Thank you and see you in a far future or never, you dumbs.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I decided to be not so angry on human stupidity. Everything is just about evolution and according to a history, people have to taste all worst experiences on themselves instead of predict (even slightly).

It is all about our nature, we are used to have an opinions for everything and never imagine that we are just a slaves of our reality. You can test yourselve by trying to think out any original story or balad. It will never be original, because you are just a result of your evolution and product of well-known knowledges, nothing else.

That's why are people from history so different but basicly the same. This is just about restricted perception you have and noone want from you that you have to be a genius or something like that. While our geniuses are mostly only good on math or turning words, but without any creativity, shame indeed. I know them too. And creativities are for you a simple differences, that's a shame too.

Good for all of us is the point that even an Hitler had by his right side a people which pretend that they trust him, but they felt sorry for all of these humans. This behaviour isn't anything which you can program to the people or erase from them.

You maybe know and astrology and 12 different signs. This is charlatanism, but mostly they know deep basic. This is an example of deep basic which will be here forever and will be never erased from a people, while there can be totally teror or resistance.

However as usuall, people have to get it by all of these experiences before will agree with something like a goverment according to a deep human nature, not populism or lies.

Regards.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well but don't think that you are so good deep inside. Imagine that you rule the world.

I always laugh to a people which think that they don't steal, cheat or kill people, that they are good inside. Mostly, mostly not.

I would be suprised if there would be 100 people in this planet capable enough to rule something.

Or I'm wrong? I hope so...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That means we cannot rely on few people, but we can develop a system which will controll and rule everything by himself.

These systems are kind of known now, however never precisely implemented and they are unknown on a goverment field...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will tell you more soon, please excuse my grammary, I got this primitive language by myself from movies.

Anyway sorry for my expressive posts, I'm truly angry about stupidity which I see anywhere I walk.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:53 pm    Post subject: So - What We Gonna Do??? Reply with quote

Until more people are aware of who the self-appointed elite are and what they are doing to us, I cannot realistically see what can be done to stop them. All we can do is use whatever ways we can to increase awareness of the Bilderbergers, and their like. Once Bilderberg awareness is widespread, opposition to them can build and , once their arrogant activities are exposed, they can be stopped!

The internet is the only source of mass communication and information which is, so far, beyond the Elite`s control and is probably the only instrument with a powerful enough Global reach to give us hope. It may be only a crumb of comfort but think how it must irritate Bilderbergers to read message boards like these.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

King Arthur and his Knights fought successfully against evil - so would a monarchical system with a king in charge be better?

As I have documented elsewhere the English Civlil War in the 1600s was fought by the merchant classes against the king who they could not bear stopping them privatising the land.

I prefer feudal to 'rule by committee' any day. Nevertheless democracy can do amazing things like kicking out Churchill after WWII and installing a n amazingly positive socialist government, health service etc.

If you would like to discuss the make-up of a future successful government this other thread is a good place to start.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:00 pm    Post subject: Major Marcel Reply with quote

The reason why I`m deleting my posts, is that I have no confidence in the moderators agenda and that reflects on Tony Gosling.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:11 pm    Post subject: Faceless Rulers Reply with quote

Few would deny that the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission have shaped and controlled much of our lives in the last 50 years. Apart from a few well known Politicians and the odd crook like Conrad Black, how many people know the identity of this small group of people who seem to think they have the right to rule us?

This must be the only period in history when the population is largely ignorant of who their rulers are. Hiding behind the pretence of Democratic accountability their puppet governments can be kicked out of office by disenchanted voters but what chance do we get to vote out the puppeteers?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can't really do anything except whinge and most people don't care a jot- too busy providing for their families, worrying about their jobs/house/car/promotions, blindly consuming, watching soaps and doing exactly what the "elite" want them to do, i.e be so busy(blinded) with the immediate surroundings they can't see further than that. I've discovered that childless people listen far more than those of my friends who've just had kids- the last thing they want to hear is that they've just stupidly spawned some cannon fodder/drones for future wars and that they will probably have it much worse than us!!
Anyway- who's to say the Bilderberg group aren't just the only Russian doll inside the farcical G8?There could well be another level- If these "elite" really wanted to meet in private to discuss what we eat and who dies don't you think they could helicopter/fly people about so efficiently they could have it somewhere so remote the cameras could never go?! Could be a massive red herring...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: private meeting Reply with quote

If the World`s most powerful individuals choose to meet in private I personally couldn`t care less - they probably do this all the time.

What I do object to, PV, is when they invite elected government ministers and public servants/government advisors etc to attend. These are only powerful because of the Public Office they hold - this is the only reason they are any use to Bilderberg.

I also object to Public money being used to provide security for the 3 day meeting - this is the responsibility of the host country. The 2009 Bilderberg Conference may be in the UK - probably at a Scottish resort with golf facilities - with UK taxpayers unknowingly footing the bill . This venue would be perfect for David Cameron to receive the Bilderberg seal of approval ( as Obama did this year) before he becomes PM.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Major Marcel wrote:
All of you who read this thread, then at least say hi, least so I know there are some who are alive and want to stop being sheep.


Hi. Sorry to tell you this but IMO good people (who know what Bilderberg is and does) don't read this site because there is not a lot here except hot air. Where are the investigators, the posts with links to others sources of information, or just facts with some backup?

Give people a reason to come!
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